Jammy reports: perhaps add an item called pap ... #6010

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yourland-report · 2024-01-19T12:45:31Z

yourland-report commented

2024-01-19 12:45:31 +00:00

Jammy reports a bug:

perhaps add an item called paperclip. Add some word-related feature such as being able to collect chats or duplicate books

Player position:

{
	x = 18770.822265625,
	y = 45,
	z = 18427.73046875
}

Player look:

{
	x = -0.43820163607597,
	y = -0.61152702569962,
	z = -0.65879738330841
}

Player information:

{
	connection_uptime = 2922,
	protocol_version = 42,
	patch = 0,
	minor = 7,
	lang_code = "zh_CN",
	state = "Active",
	version_string = "5.7.0",
	serialization_version = 29,
	major = 5,
	max_jitter = 2.8239998817444,
	formspec_version = 6,
	ip_version = 6,
	min_rtt = 0.19799999892712,
	avg_rtt = 0.23299999535084,
	min_jitter = 0,
	max_rtt = 3.0239999294281,
	avg_jitter = 0.03099998831749
}

Player meta:

{
	fields = {
		punch_count = "15312",
		["stamina:exhaustion"] = "93.5",
		inflicted_damage = "295522",
		["petz:werewolf"] = "0",
		["petz:lycanthropy"] = "0",
		["ocean_build.ocean_built"] = "11",
		["signslib:pos"] = "(18757,58,18424)",
		yl_commons_thankyou = "27",
		hud_state = "on",
		yl_church = "return {[\"last_death_portal\"] = 1705666880, [\"last_heal\"] = 1700995484, [\"last_death\"] = {[\"x\"] = 18821, [\"y\"] = 50, [\"z\"] = 18471}}",
		["3d_armor_inventory"] = "return {\"3d_armor:leggings_rainbow 1 20206\", \"3d_armor:chestplate_rainbow 1 3768\", \"shields:shield_rainbow 1 7322\", \"3d_armor:boots_crystal 1 18305\", \"3d_armor:helmet_rainbow 1 3768\", \"\"}",
		bitten = "0",
		played_time = "1221526",
		digged_nodes = "121715",
		placed_nodes = "45250",
		died = "263",
		crafted = "65358",
		yl_commons_player_joined = "1705665427",
		["unified_inventory:bags"] = "return {\"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"water_life:croc_bag\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\"}",
		yl_commons_player_created = "1700288470",
		xp = "94087",
		jointime = "1700288470",
		["ambience.svol"] = "0.1",
		["petz:werewolf_clan_idx"] = "2",
		partychat = "party",
		["ocean_build.last_warning"] = "1704798436",
		["stamina:level"] = "12",
		repellant = "0",
		["stamina:poisoned"] = "no"
	}
}

Log identifier


[MOD] yl_report log identifier = 9rcb3Inepi8OLksai12U0WAutFIH2Fq6

Profiler save:

profile-20240119T124531.json_prettyEE

Status:

# Server: version: 5.7.0-yl-thx-tmm | game: Minetest Game | uptime: 1d 20h 22min 8s | max lag: 0.595s | clients (16/52): AliasAlreadyTaken, Aliza, Bailiff, Davidsoft, daydream, Giuseppe, Jammy, JinnyC, mahou, Murmel, Noii, Service, tagtraum, TimurHami, Tute, whosit

Teleport command:

/teleport xyz 18771 45 18428

Compass command:

/give_compass Construction 9rcb3Inepi8OLksai12U0WAutFIH2Fq6 D2691E 18771 45 18428

Jammy reports a bug: > perhaps add an item called paperclip. Add some word-related feature such as being able to collect chats or duplicate books Player position: ``` { x = 18770.822265625, y = 45, z = 18427.73046875 } ``` Player look: ``` { x = -0.43820163607597, y = -0.61152702569962, z = -0.65879738330841 } ``` Player information: ``` { connection_uptime = 2922, protocol_version = 42, patch = 0, minor = 7, lang_code = "zh_CN", state = "Active", version_string = "5.7.0", serialization_version = 29, major = 5, max_jitter = 2.8239998817444, formspec_version = 6, ip_version = 6, min_rtt = 0.19799999892712, avg_rtt = 0.23299999535084, min_jitter = 0, max_rtt = 3.0239999294281, avg_jitter = 0.03099998831749 } ``` Player meta: ``` { fields = { punch_count = "15312", ["stamina:exhaustion"] = "93.5", inflicted_damage = "295522", ["petz:werewolf"] = "0", ["petz:lycanthropy"] = "0", ["ocean_build.ocean_built"] = "11", ["signslib:pos"] = "(18757,58,18424)", yl_commons_thankyou = "27", hud_state = "on", yl_church = "return {[\"last_death_portal\"] = 1705666880, [\"last_heal\"] = 1700995484, [\"last_death\"] = {[\"x\"] = 18821, [\"y\"] = 50, [\"z\"] = 18471}}", ["3d_armor_inventory"] = "return {\"3d_armor:leggings_rainbow 1 20206\", \"3d_armor:chestplate_rainbow 1 3768\", \"shields:shield_rainbow 1 7322\", \"3d_armor:boots_crystal 1 18305\", \"3d_armor:helmet_rainbow 1 3768\", \"\"}", bitten = "0", played_time = "1221526", digged_nodes = "121715", placed_nodes = "45250", died = "263", crafted = "65358", yl_commons_player_joined = "1705665427", ["unified_inventory:bags"] = "return {\"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"water_life:croc_bag\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\"}", yl_commons_player_created = "1700288470", xp = "94087", jointime = "1700288470", ["ambience.svol"] = "0.1", ["petz:werewolf_clan_idx"] = "2", partychat = "party", ["ocean_build.last_warning"] = "1704798436", ["stamina:level"] = "12", repellant = "0", ["stamina:poisoned"] = "no" } } ``` Log identifier ``` [MOD] yl_report log identifier = 9rcb3Inepi8OLksai12U0WAutFIH2Fq6 ``` Profiler save: ``` profile-20240119T124531.json_prettyEE ``` Status: ``` # Server: version: 5.7.0-yl-thx-tmm | game: Minetest Game | uptime: 1d 20h 22min 8s | max lag: 0.595s | clients (16/52): AliasAlreadyTaken, Aliza, Bailiff, Davidsoft, daydream, Giuseppe, Jammy, JinnyC, mahou, Murmel, Noii, Service, tagtraum, TimurHami, Tute, whosit ``` Teleport command: ``` /teleport xyz 18771 45 18428 ``` Compass command: ``` /give_compass Construction 9rcb3Inepi8OLksai12U0WAutFIH2Fq6 D2691E 18771 45 18428 ```

AliasAlreadyTaken was assigned by yourland-report

2024-01-19 12:45:31 +00:00

whosit commented

2024-01-19 13:03:35 +00:00

This is a reference to windows clippit

This is a reference to [windows clippit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Assistant)

whosit added the

1. kind/enhancement

1. kind/meme

labels 2024-01-19 13:03:55 +00:00

Jammy commented

2024-01-19 14:15:24 +00:00

This is a reference to windows clippit

Yes. Guess u knew what i was up to.
But this tool would be very good for bailiffs bus u can record chat messages

> This is a reference to [windows clippit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Assistant) Yes. Guess u knew what i was up to. But this tool would be very good for bailiffs bus u can record chat messages

flux commented

2024-01-20 05:32:56 +00:00

you can already duplicate books by crafting a written book with an unwritten one in your craft grid.

i swear we've already got a proposal for dumping chat history into a book, but i can't find it. i support that but i'm probably not going to do that soon.

you can already duplicate books by crafting a written book with an unwritten one in your craft grid. i swear we've already got a proposal for dumping chat history into a book, but i can't find it. i support that but i'm probably not going to do that soon.

Jammy commented

2024-01-20 09:02:15 +00:00

Then maybe make it into an assistant to help newbies on commands and chats?

Boot commented

2024-01-20 10:00:56 +00:00

Then maybe make it into an assistant to help newbies on commands and chats?

A personal assistant NPC would be nice.

> Then maybe make it into an assistant to help newbies on commands and chats? A personal assistant NPC would be nice.

AliasAlreadyTaken commented

2024-01-20 14:36:26 +00:00

Then maybe make it into an assistant to help newbies on commands and chats?

There is /faq copy books. We can't put up a signpost at spawn saying all the commands. Those who have a need to copy a book either find out by themselves or simply ask.

Then maybe make it into an assistant to help newbies on commands and chats?

A personal assistant NPC would be nice.

How would that look like?

> Then maybe make it into an assistant to help newbies on commands and chats? There is `/faq copy books`. We can't put up a signpost at spawn saying all the commands. Those who have a need to copy a book either find out by themselves or simply ask. > > Then maybe make it into an assistant to help newbies on commands and chats? > > A personal assistant NPC would be nice. How would that look like?

Boot commented

2024-01-20 16:00:36 +00:00

There is /faq copy books. We can't put up a signpost at spawn saying all the commands. Those who have a need to copy a book either find out by themselves or simply ask.

Sure? Try if you can, but there is an issue #5945 about this.

Then maybe make it into an assistant to help newbies on commands and chats?

A personal assistant NPC would be nice.

How would that look like?

Oh, its just a thing, I talked with Sokomine sometimes ago. That's what I came up with when I saw a trailer for Lego Fortnite. A new player gets an NPC at his side pretty quickly, as his first friend. It explains a lot about how to get into the game, follows the player through the world and also helps with defense against monsters. Later on, you can also invite real friends from RL in the game.

Sure, sure, that's a far cry from what Minetest can do at the moment. But some of it is possible. After all, the NPC August already welcomes the new players at the spawn. Just like August at spawn, there could be another NPC at some "critical points". One who explains how the Public Farm works, what to craft first, how to get the first iron, etc. The next step could be to have a personal NPC that you can call and ask about a certain step (depending on the location). This could also be the same NPC in each case, see #5054.

According to Sokomine, running along is still a big problem for NPCs. Therefore, I think the NPCs should only appear temporarily until this problem is solved. By the time of the big city update at the latest, however, NPCs should also be able to fight properly, so they will have to work on it anyway.

> There is `/faq copy books`. We can't put up a signpost at spawn saying all the commands. Those who have a need to copy a book either find out by themselves or simply ask. Sure? Try if you can, but there is an issue #5945 about this. > > > Then maybe make it into an assistant to help newbies on commands and chats? > > > > A personal assistant NPC would be nice. > > How would that look like? Oh, its just a thing, I talked with Sokomine sometimes ago. That's what I came up with when I saw a trailer for Lego Fortnite. A new player gets an NPC at his side pretty quickly, as his first friend. It explains a lot about how to get into the game, follows the player through the world and also helps with defense against monsters. Later on, you can also invite real friends from RL in the game. Sure, sure, that's a far cry from what Minetest can do at the moment. But some of it is possible. After all, the NPC August already welcomes the new players at the spawn. Just like August at spawn, there could be another NPC at some "critical points". One who explains how the Public Farm works, what to craft first, how to get the first iron, etc. The next step could be to have a personal NPC that you can call and ask about a certain step (depending on the location). This could also be the same NPC in each case, see #5054. According to Sokomine, running along is still a big problem for NPCs. Therefore, I think the NPCs should only appear temporarily until this problem is solved. By the time of the big city update at the latest, however, NPCs should also be able to fight properly, so they will have to work on it anyway.

whosit commented

2024-01-20 16:17:46 +00:00

I just want to mention, that interacting with real people that helped me when I was only starting on YL was the big part of why I stayed. Idk how I would react to NPCs - maybe I wouldn't even bother to read their dialogs.

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AliasAlreadyTaken commented

2024-01-20 16:53:39 +00:00

As long as noone is forced to use such an NPC, I'd be willing to investigate such a thing. I'd rather have "helpers" in critical areas, like Public Farm, Public Mine, spawn and the city gates than an NPC who keeps following or teleporting with the player, but that's details to be discussed.

tour commented

2024-01-20 19:49:58 +00:00

IMO a NPC for simple tasks like that is pretty much an overkill.

Doing all help with ingame formspecs suffers from a lot of problems:

strg + f doesn't work
there are no working links
it's quite time consuming to create good looking formspecs. (that time could be invested much better)
formspecs suffer from bad styling, you can't really modify font size clientside, long text need scroll_containers (but these are somehow broken on mobile).

In fact, there are often documention issues like this.
IMO YL lacks some good documentation (just compare the content of https://gitea.your-land.de/your-land/wiki/wiki with https://pandorabox.io/index.php/Category:Tutorial)

Especially features implemented for YL are often unknown (shears to change the hights of grass, extended area commands).
A website we could refer to when questions arise would be great. I'd assume there are many players willing to help with documentation.
(and if that website uses .md as source, it should also be possible to use them ingame in the future, see the markdown to formspec mods)

IMO a NPC for simple tasks like that is pretty much an overkill. Doing all help with ingame formspecs suffers from a lot of problems: - `strg + f` doesn't work - there are no working links - it's quite time consuming to create good looking formspecs. (that time could be invested much better) - formspecs suffer from bad styling, you can't really modify font size clientside, long text need scroll_containers (but these are somehow broken on mobile). In fact, there are often documention issues like this. IMO YL lacks some good documentation (just compare the content of https://gitea.your-land.de/your-land/wiki/wiki with https://pandorabox.io/index.php/Category:Tutorial) Especially features implemented for YL are often unknown (shears to change the hights of grass, extended area commands). **A website we could refer to when questions arise would be great.** I'd assume there are many players willing to help with documentation. (and if that website uses .md as source, it should also be possible to use them ingame in the future, see the markdown to formspec mods)

Boot commented

2024-01-20 21:45:45 +00:00

I looked again at how they explain it in Lego Fortnite: "Build buildings to build your community. Once your villages take shape, they'll attract villagers to join you on adventures or upgrade your community! From farmers to cooks to blacksmiths, your villagers will support you in a variety of ways." https://www.fortnite.com/news/welcome-to-lego-fortnite

Sounds familiar to me. However, these are not the down-to-earth villagers you know from Minecraft or from the scheduled update in YL, but they can also accompany the player through the world.

I'm also not saying that everyone in YL will have an NPC as a companion, but I'm saying that it's already being done in other games. And even if this technique is out of place in YL, it would increase the possibilities of the game engine Minetest enormously.

I looked again at how they explain it in Lego Fortnite: "Build buildings to build your community. Once your villages take shape, they'll attract villagers to join you on adventures or upgrade your community! From farmers to cooks to blacksmiths, your villagers will support you in a variety of ways." https://www.fortnite.com/news/welcome-to-lego-fortnite Sounds familiar to me. However, these are not the down-to-earth villagers you know from Minecraft or from the scheduled update in YL, but they can also accompany the player through the world. I'm also not saying that everyone in YL will have an NPC as a companion, but I'm saying that it's already being done in other games. And even if this technique is out of place in YL, it would increase the possibilities of the game engine Minetest enormously.

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