Werewolf fall damage #4596

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sixer · 2023-05-25T08:32:40Z

sixer commented

2023-05-25 08:32:40 +00:00

Werewolves are faster, stronger, jump higher ... but suffer from same fall damage as humans.

When werewolf jumps, he jumps so high that he takes fall damage when landing on same spot (or on spot of same height).

I think the fall damage should be slightly reduced for werewolves, at least to the point that werewolf does not take damage when jumping up and down on the spot

Werewolves are supposed to be tougher than humans, so I guess that could include fall damage as well.

Werewolves are faster, stronger, jump higher ... but suffer from same fall damage as humans. When werewolf jumps, he jumps so high that he takes fall damage when landing on same spot (or on spot of same height). I think the fall damage should be slightly reduced for werewolves, at least to the point that werewolf does not take damage when jumping up and down on the spot Werewolves are supposed to be tougher than humans, so I guess that could include fall damage as well.

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Murmel commented

2023-05-25 13:59:27 +00:00

So what would be the disadvantage of being a werewolf then?

sixer commented

2023-05-25 14:29:24 +00:00

the dietary requirements - hunting animals is harder than just farming carrots, and the implied big disadvantage of being unable to heal at any moment instantly by eating golden apples

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2023-05-25 15:34:52 +00:00

bakaxtreme reports: can you add a feature that wer ... #1684

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flux commented

2023-05-25 15:47:56 +00:00

the main discussion about werewolf balancing is at your-land/administration#135, which i'm aware most people can't see.

summarizing the important points that are still relevant:

#1672: werewolves should be able to eat cooked meat, though it shouldn't be as good for them
#1797: stamina consumption should be proportional to speed

note that the new mechanics discussed in #4132 are meant to address these two issues, as well as a slew of other non-werewolf things.

some other ideas about balancing, without issues:

werewolves should be color blind (https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/13075)
players should only become a werewolf on "the full moon" (using astral), and only when they can see the sky.
a werewolf shouldn't be able to wear armor, but should have a natural defensive buff.
a werewolf shouldn't be able to use tools, but should have a natural offensive buff.
a werewolf shouldn't be able to cast magic spells.
a werewolf should have night-vision

the main discussion about werewolf balancing is at https://gitea.your-land.de/your-land/administration/issues/135, which i'm aware most people can't see. summarizing the important points that are still relevant: * [#1672: werewolves should be able to eat cooked meat, though it shouldn't be as good for them](https://gitea.your-land.de/your-land/bugtracker/issues/1672) * [#1797: stamina consumption should be proportional to speed](https://gitea.your-land.de/your-land/bugtracker/issues/1797) note that the new mechanics discussed in #4132 are meant to address these two issues, as well as a slew of other non-werewolf things. some other ideas about balancing, without issues: * werewolves should be color blind (https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/13075) * players should only become a werewolf on "the full moon" (using astral), and only when they can see the sky. * a werewolf shouldn't be able to wear armor, but should have a natural defensive buff. * a werewolf shouldn't be able to use tools, but should have a natural offensive buff. * a werewolf shouldn't be able to cast magic spells. * a werewolf should have night-vision

flux commented

2023-05-25 15:50:43 +00:00

wait, what am i thinking. i forgot i made a mod to adjust the player_physics monoids to make it so that werewolves aren't able to jump so high that the fall hurts them: https://github.com/fluxionary/minetest-limit_physics_monoids

can we put that on the test server so that people can try it out? if the defaults aren't acceptable, it's got a fair amount of configurability.

wait, what am i thinking. i forgot i made a mod to adjust the player_physics monoids to make it so that werewolves aren't able to jump so high that the fall hurts them: https://github.com/fluxionary/minetest-limit_physics_monoids can we put that on the test server so that people can try it out? if the defaults aren't acceptable, it's got a fair amount of configurability.

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AliasAlreadyTaken commented

2023-05-25 15:52:59 +00:00

can we put that on the test server

done, the mod is now on the testserver

> can we put that on the test server done, the mod is now on the testserver

flux referenced this issue

2023-12-11 00:46:31 +00:00

Jammy reports: if you wear crystal boots as a ... #5631

flux commented

2023-12-11 00:47:13 +00:00

can we put that on the test server

done, the mod is now on the testserver

what was the evaluation of this?

> > can we put that on the test server > > done, the mod is now on the testserver what was the evaluation of this?

AliasAlreadyTaken commented

2023-12-11 02:10:17 +00:00

can we put that on the test server

done, the mod is now on the testserver

what was the evaluation of this?

I don't rmember, I put up that mod on the testserver again

> > > can we put that on the test server > > > > done, the mod is now on the testserver > > what was the evaluation of this? I don't rmember, I put up that mod on the testserver again

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flux commented

2023-12-12 01:22:39 +00:00

I don't rmember, I put up that mod on the testserver again

players who like being werewolves should test it out and give feedback. for me it's "better than before", but perhaps other people think the speed/jump/gravity changes should be different.

> I don't rmember, I put up that mod on the testserver again players who like being werewolves should test it out and give feedback. for me it's "better than before", but perhaps other people think the speed/jump/gravity changes should be different.

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AliasAlreadyTaken commented

2023-12-13 02:37:12 +00:00

QA

I didn't have a lot of werewolf gameplay, but this feels way better.

Two fellow werewolves like the changes.

QA I didn't have a lot of werewolf gameplay, but this feels way better. Two fellow werewolves like the changes.

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sixer commented

2023-12-13 23:20:40 +00:00

jumping is better than before (jumping up and landing on same elevation does not hurt you in werewolf form), but I've noticed that sprinting speed (with crystal boots) is significantly slower on the test server, as well as speed of swimming through lava.

So overall, I personally dislike this change.

jumping is better than before (jumping up and landing on same elevation does not hurt you in werewolf form), but I've noticed that sprinting speed (with crystal boots) is significantly slower on the test server, as well as speed of swimming through lava. So overall, I personally dislike this change.

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AliasAlreadyTaken referenced this issue

2023-12-14 06:57:59 +00:00

testserver - movement is noticeably slower than normal with crystal boots, is it intentional? #5685

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AliasAlreadyTaken commented

2023-12-14 07:32:23 +00:00

QA

Due to sixers finding and rewired_X's issue #5685 , we need to make up our mind how we want it.

I'd rather have the crystal boots debuff with 1.4

QA Due to sixers finding and rewired_X's issue #5685 , we need to make up our mind how we want it. I'd rather have the crystal boots debuff with 1.4

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flux referenced this issue

2023-12-14 21:53:58 +00:00

testserver - movement is noticeably slower than normal with crystal boots, is it intentional? #5685

flux commented

2023-12-14 22:11:03 +00:00

per #5685, a player walking w/ crystal boots previous traveled at 8 nodes/second, and with limit_physics_monoid, now travels at 6.6 nodes/second. limit_physics_monoid is highly configurable - we can tweak the parameters easily (e.g. limit_physics_monoids:speed_param_2 = 0.5), or disable the override for speed entirely (limit_physics_monoids:speed_limiter = none), at least for the time being.

movement	no limiter	default limiter	param2 = 0.5
walking	4.0	4.0	4.0
running	7.2	6.14	7.0
crystal boots	8.0	6.59	7.67
running in boots	14.4	9.4	12.19
werewolf running in boots	21.6	11.62	16.06

per #5685, a player walking w/ crystal boots previous traveled at 8 nodes/second, and with limit_physics_monoid, now travels at 6.6 nodes/second. limit_physics_monoid is *highly* configurable - we can tweak the parameters easily (e.g. `limit_physics_monoids:speed_param_2 = 0.5`), or disable the override for speed entirely (`limit_physics_monoids:speed_limiter = none`), at least for the time being. | movement | no limiter | default limiter | param2 = 0.5 | | - | - | - | - | | walking | 4.0 | 4.0 | 4.0 | | running | 7.2 | 6.14 | 7.0 | | crystal boots | 8.0 | 6.59 | 7.67 | | running in boots | 14.4 | 9.4 | 12.19 | | werewolf running in boots | 21.6 | 11.62 | 16.06 |

flux commented

2023-12-14 22:17:48 +00:00

EDIT: IGNORE THIS COMMENT! i wasn't using the right logic when computing these values. i tested the values empirically later, see #6328 (comment)

swimming through lava

hm. that should actually probably be higher than it was previously:

movement	no limiter	default limiter	param2 = 0.5
walking in lava	0.8	0.93	0.58
running in lava	1.44	1.65	1.25
boots in lava	1.6	1.82	1.42
running boots in lava	2.88	3.07	2.82
werewolf running boots in lava	4.32	4.25	4.33

EDIT: actually apparently the liquid viscosity/move resistance logic is more complicated than that, so these numbers are garbage...

EDIT: IGNORE THIS COMMENT! i wasn't using the right logic when computing these values. i tested the values empirically later, see https://gitea.your-land.de/your-land/bugtracker/issues/6328#issuecomment-75246 > swimming through lava hm. that should actually probably be *higher* than it was previously: | movement | no limiter | default limiter | param2 = 0.5 | | - | - | - | - | | walking in lava | 0.8 | 0.93 | 0.58 | | running in lava | 1.44 | 1.65 | 1.25 | | boots in lava | 1.6 | 1.82 | 1.42 | | running boots in lava | 2.88 | 3.07 | 2.82 | | werewolf running boots in lava | 4.32 | 4.25 | 4.33 | EDIT: actually apparently the liquid viscosity/move resistance logic is more complicated than that, so these numbers are garbage...

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testserver - movement is noticeably slower than normal with crystal boots, is it intentional? #5685

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AzelfYL commented

2023-12-15 10:33:53 +00:00

I swear that I reported this issue a long time ago but...