Sokomine reports: the wandertag target is broken. i cannot get today's reward. sure, i built it. they're expensive. pl ... #8387

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yourland-report · 2025-04-07T01:21:22+02:00

yourland-report commented

2025-04-07 01:21:22 +02:00

Sokomine reports a bug:

the wandertag target is broken. i cannot get today's reward. sure, i built it. they're expensive. please fix the bug!

Player position:

{
	x = -250.84199523926,
	y = 39.5,
	z = 22723.45703125
}

Player look:

{
	x = -0.58298403024673,
	y = -0.19389192759991,
	z = 0.78900921344757
}

Player information:

{
	major = 5,
	max_jitter = 0.041000001132488,
	avg_jitter = 0,
	connection_uptime = 296,
	avg_rtt = 0.019999999552965,
	protocol_version = 46,
	lang_code = "",
	max_rtt = 0.06700000166893,
	state = "Active",
	minor = 12,
	version_string = "5.12.0-dev-6a7109565-dirty",
	min_jitter = 0,
	min_rtt = 0.018999999389052,
	serialization_version = 29,
	patch = 0,
	ip_version = 6,
	formspec_version = 8
}

Player meta:

{
	fields = {
		["ethereal:fly_timer"] = "-99",
		inflicted_damage = "7045166",
		yl_commons_thankyou = "1057",
		["3d_armor_inventory"] = "return {\"\", \"3d_armor:helmet_rainbow 1 280\", \"shields:shield_rainbow 1 280\", \"3d_armor:chestplate_rainbow 1 280\", \"3d_armor:boots_crystal 1 700\", \"3d_armor:leggings_rainbow 1 280\"}",
		punch_count = "331583",
		played_time = "23217137",
		hud_state = "on",
		["petz:werewolf_clan_idx"] = "1",
		["signslib:pos"] = "(45,2,22475)",
		["hud_manager:yl_snowball:hud__enabled"] = "n",
		["ocean_build.last_warning"] = "1.65032e+09",
		died = "58",
		["ocean_build.ocean_built"] = "5",
		yl_church = "return {[\"last_heal\"] = 1731267503, [\"last_death_portal\"] = 1738105878, [\"last_death\"] = {[\"y\"] = 2, [\"z\"] = 14336, [\"x\"] = 433}}",
		["petz:werewolf"] = "0",
		placed_nodes = "427599",
		["petz:lycanthropy"] = "1",
		crafted = "904550",
		partychat = "main",
		["stamina:level"] = "16",
		digged_nodes = "2406829",
		arenalib_infobox_arenaID = "0",
		["stamina:exhaustion"] = "93",
		xp = "2652882",
		yl_commons_player_created = "1617905120",
		yl_commons_player_joined = "1743981391",
		["unified_inventory:bags"] = "return {\"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\"}",
		jointime = "1617905120",
		bitten = "0",
		repellant = "0"
	}
}

Log identifier


[MOD] yl_report log identifier = dP8Bql0WdI2tHcyCOTIwbfwXwJHPSEqn

Profiler save:

profile-20250407T012122.json_prettyEE

Status:

# Server: version: 5.11.0-yl-lt | game: Minetest Game | uptime: 16h 5min 56s | max lag: 0.51s | clients (22/52): AliasAlreadyTaken, brulato, daydream, G_Servant, kimbyzinha, MineWorlds, modbow, Mr_Falafel, Mrs_falafel12, nakama-ta, papadegianlp, pink_mothra, polylith, poppyasdan, RandyButternubs, RikiTaki, selknirW, Service, Sokomine, Stimplin_OReilly, tagtraum, TioPonzi

Teleport command:

/teleport xyz -251 40 22723

Compass command:

/give_compass Construction dP8Bql0WdI2tHcyCOTIwbfwXwJHPSEqn D2691E -251 40 22723

Sokomine reports a bug: > the wandertag target is broken. i cannot get today's reward. sure, i built it. they're expensive. please fix the bug! Player position: ``` { x = -250.84199523926, y = 39.5, z = 22723.45703125 } ``` Player look: ``` { x = -0.58298403024673, y = -0.19389192759991, z = 0.78900921344757 } ``` Player information: ``` { major = 5, max_jitter = 0.041000001132488, avg_jitter = 0, connection_uptime = 296, avg_rtt = 0.019999999552965, protocol_version = 46, lang_code = "", max_rtt = 0.06700000166893, state = "Active", minor = 12, version_string = "5.12.0-dev-6a7109565-dirty", min_jitter = 0, min_rtt = 0.018999999389052, serialization_version = 29, patch = 0, ip_version = 6, formspec_version = 8 } ``` Player meta: ``` { fields = { ["ethereal:fly_timer"] = "-99", inflicted_damage = "7045166", yl_commons_thankyou = "1057", ["3d_armor_inventory"] = "return {\"\", \"3d_armor:helmet_rainbow 1 280\", \"shields:shield_rainbow 1 280\", \"3d_armor:chestplate_rainbow 1 280\", \"3d_armor:boots_crystal 1 700\", \"3d_armor:leggings_rainbow 1 280\"}", punch_count = "331583", played_time = "23217137", hud_state = "on", ["petz:werewolf_clan_idx"] = "1", ["signslib:pos"] = "(45,2,22475)", ["hud_manager:yl_snowball:hud__enabled"] = "n", ["ocean_build.last_warning"] = "1.65032e+09", died = "58", ["ocean_build.ocean_built"] = "5", yl_church = "return {[\"last_heal\"] = 1731267503, [\"last_death_portal\"] = 1738105878, [\"last_death\"] = {[\"y\"] = 2, [\"z\"] = 14336, [\"x\"] = 433}}", ["petz:werewolf"] = "0", placed_nodes = "427599", ["petz:lycanthropy"] = "1", crafted = "904550", partychat = "main", ["stamina:level"] = "16", digged_nodes = "2406829", arenalib_infobox_arenaID = "0", ["stamina:exhaustion"] = "93", xp = "2652882", yl_commons_player_created = "1617905120", yl_commons_player_joined = "1743981391", ["unified_inventory:bags"] = "return {\"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\"}", jointime = "1617905120", bitten = "0", repellant = "0" } } ``` Log identifier ``` [MOD] yl_report log identifier = dP8Bql0WdI2tHcyCOTIwbfwXwJHPSEqn ``` Profiler save: ``` profile-20250407T012122.json_prettyEE ``` Status: ``` # Server: version: 5.11.0-yl-lt | game: Minetest Game | uptime: 16h 5min 56s | max lag: 0.51s | clients (22/52): AliasAlreadyTaken, brulato, daydream, G_Servant, kimbyzinha, MineWorlds, modbow, Mr_Falafel, Mrs_falafel12, nakama-ta, papadegianlp, pink_mothra, polylith, poppyasdan, RandyButternubs, RikiTaki, selknirW, Service, Sokomine, Stimplin_OReilly, tagtraum, TioPonzi ``` Teleport command: ``` /teleport xyz -251 40 22723 ``` Compass command: ``` /give_compass Construction dP8Bql0WdI2tHcyCOTIwbfwXwJHPSEqn D2691E -251 40 22723 ```

AliasAlreadyTaken was assigned by yourland-report

2025-04-07 01:21:22 +02:00

AliasAlreadyTaken added the

1. kind/documentation

label 2025-04-08 10:02:38 +02:00

AliasAlreadyTaken commented

2025-04-08 10:35:13 +02:00

If you built and activated it, then you can't get the rewards from your own Wandertag. You could get the rewards from the Wandertag destinations I activated.

We already considered some reward for the builder, but that would then cause a spam of wandertags only for the rewards.

If you know a way to reward the Wandertag builder, without making it into a commodity, fire away

If you built and activated it, then you can't get the rewards from your own Wandertag. You could get the rewards from the Wandertag destinations I activated. We already considered *some* reward for the builder, but that would then cause a spam of wandertags only for the rewards. If you know a way to reward the Wandertag builder, without making it into a commodity, fire away

AliasAlreadyTaken added the

4. step/discussion

label 2025-04-08 10:35:22 +02:00

Boot commented

2025-04-08 10:40:28 +02:00

If you know a way to reward the Wandertag builder, without making it into a commodity, fire away

Redshirt could help.

> If you know a way to reward the Wandertag builder, without making it into a commodity, fire away Redshirt could help.

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Sokomine commented

2025-04-09 02:05:33 +02:00

Why not leave the wandertag reward the same it is? Whoever goes there gets the reward that day. No more, no less. It's more symbolic and not that much. We don't need extra rewards for the player who built it - others comming and enjoying the location is the real reward. But to exclude the player who built it, that feels cheap to me.

There have been players in chat who wanted a reward for their target beeing selected. That felt wrong, and perhaps those...requests...are the reason for this rule. Still, I'm pretty sure they expected more than the standard reward everyone gets.

Of course there is some limited reason to fear that players will build targets at their not so excellent bases, wait for them to get activated and claim the reward without effort while not caring at all about the real reason the Wandertag targets are there. That'd be pretty soon pretty destructive. And, again, would violate the server rule.

The Wandertag is such a nice idea. Why make it bad deliberately?

Perhaps this is another instance of there really beeing no technical way to decide if a target is good or not. Votes can help to a degree but are no universal cure.

I've thought about adding an option to complain to Amanda about a specific Wandertag target. NPC can send mail now. If there is noticable complaint, staff can take a look at the target and deactivate it for future use and talk to the creator. If such complains show up more often regarding a particular player, then staff ought to be able to exclude that players' targets alltogether from the target list. The player still ought to be able to get rewards from other targets in order to hopefully learn how to find better ones.

Why not leave the wandertag reward the same it is? Whoever goes there gets the reward that day. No more, no less. It's more symbolic and not that much. We don't need *extra* rewards for the player who built it - others comming and enjoying the location is the real reward. But to exclude the player who built it, that feels cheap to me. There have been players in chat who wanted a reward for their target beeing selected. That felt wrong, and perhaps those...requests...are the reason for this rule. Still, I'm pretty sure they expected *more* than the standard reward everyone gets. Of course there is some limited reason to fear that players will build targets at their not so excellent bases, wait for them to get activated and claim the reward without effort while not caring at all about the real reason the Wandertag targets are there. That'd be pretty soon pretty destructive. And, again, would violate the server rule. The Wandertag is such a nice idea. Why make it bad deliberately? Perhaps this is another instance of there really beeing no technical way to decide if a target is good or not. Votes can help to a degree but are no universal cure. I've thought about adding an option to complain to Amanda about a specific Wandertag target. NPC can send mail now. If there is noticable complaint, staff can take a look at the target and deactivate it for future use and talk to the creator. If such complains show up more often regarding a particular player, then staff ought to be able to exclude that players' targets alltogether from the target list. The player still ought to be able to get rewards from other targets in order to hopefully learn how to find better ones.

AliasAlreadyTaken added the

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