testmineweirdo reports: unknown item on the stairs in ... #6450

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yourland-report · 2024-03-12T08:10:26Z

yourland-report commented

2024-03-12 08:10:26 +00:00

testmineweirdo reports a bug:

unknown item on the stairs in boots shop left of the stairs first floor below "air" label

Player position:

{
	z = 1140.1040039063,
	x = 2113.6721191406,
	y = 16.5
}

Player look:

{
	z = -0.93798238039017,
	x = -0.34511053562164,
	y = -0.032980740070343
}

Player information:

{
	lang_code = "",
	minor = 8,
	max_rtt = 6.5949997901917,
	ip_version = 6,
	min_rtt = 0.17299999296665,
	avg_rtt = 0.17599999904633,
	min_jitter = 0,
	max_jitter = 6.4159998893738,
	avg_jitter = 0.0020000040531158,
	connection_uptime = 8142,
	protocol_version = 42,
	version_string = "5.8.0",
	state = "Active",
	formspec_version = 7,
	serialization_version = 29,
	major = 5,
	patch = 0
}

Player meta:

{
	fields = {
		crafted = "16633",
		["stamina:level"] = "6",
		["stamina:poisoned"] = "no",
		yl_commons_player_created = "1708500045",
		["stamina:exhaustion"] = "72.5",
		yl_church = "return {[\"last_heal\"] = 1709232795, [\"last_death_portal\"] = 1710222936, [\"last_death\"] = {[\"z\"] = 19736, [\"x\"] = -1569, [\"y\"] = 64}}",
		hud_state = "on",
		jointime = "1708500045",
		bitten = "0",
		placed_nodes = "8322",
		inflicted_damage = "22162",
		yl_commons_thankyou = "3",
		["3d_armor_inventory"] = "return {\"\", \"\", \"\", \"\", \"\", \"\"}",
		yl_commons_player_joined = "1710222906",
		xp = "13332",
		["petz:werewolf_clan_idx"] = "4",
		["petz:lycanthropy"] = "0",
		["petz:werewolf"] = "0",
		repellant = "0",
		punch_count = "1335",
		played_time = "546010",
		digged_nodes = "47233",
		["unified_inventory:bags"] = "return {\"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\"}",
		died = "242"
	}
}

Log identifier


[MOD] yl_report log identifier = Kwu6u9tnk91idz6UeDWxIJrbAyqGJrAX

Profiler save:

profile-20240312T081026.json_prettyEE

Status:

# Server: version: 5.7.0-yl-thx-tmm | game: Minetest Game | uptime: 10h 44min 19s | max lag: 0.416s | clients (8/52): AliasAlreadyTaken, Bailiff, daydream, flux, Murmel, Nomtom, Service, testmineweirdo

Teleport command:

/teleport xyz 2114 17 1140

Compass command:

/give_compass Construction Kwu6u9tnk91idz6UeDWxIJrbAyqGJrAX D2691E 2114 17 1140

testmineweirdo reports a bug: > unknown item on the stairs in boots shop left of the stairs first floor below "air" label Player position: ``` { z = 1140.1040039063, x = 2113.6721191406, y = 16.5 } ``` Player look: ``` { z = -0.93798238039017, x = -0.34511053562164, y = -0.032980740070343 } ``` Player information: ``` { lang_code = "", minor = 8, max_rtt = 6.5949997901917, ip_version = 6, min_rtt = 0.17299999296665, avg_rtt = 0.17599999904633, min_jitter = 0, max_jitter = 6.4159998893738, avg_jitter = 0.0020000040531158, connection_uptime = 8142, protocol_version = 42, version_string = "5.8.0", state = "Active", formspec_version = 7, serialization_version = 29, major = 5, patch = 0 } ``` Player meta: ``` { fields = { crafted = "16633", ["stamina:level"] = "6", ["stamina:poisoned"] = "no", yl_commons_player_created = "1708500045", ["stamina:exhaustion"] = "72.5", yl_church = "return {[\"last_heal\"] = 1709232795, [\"last_death_portal\"] = 1710222936, [\"last_death\"] = {[\"z\"] = 19736, [\"x\"] = -1569, [\"y\"] = 64}}", hud_state = "on", jointime = "1708500045", bitten = "0", placed_nodes = "8322", inflicted_damage = "22162", yl_commons_thankyou = "3", ["3d_armor_inventory"] = "return {\"\", \"\", \"\", \"\", \"\", \"\"}", yl_commons_player_joined = "1710222906", xp = "13332", ["petz:werewolf_clan_idx"] = "4", ["petz:lycanthropy"] = "0", ["petz:werewolf"] = "0", repellant = "0", punch_count = "1335", played_time = "546010", digged_nodes = "47233", ["unified_inventory:bags"] = "return {\"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\", \"unified_inventory:bag_large\"}", died = "242" } } ``` Log identifier ``` [MOD] yl_report log identifier = Kwu6u9tnk91idz6UeDWxIJrbAyqGJrAX ``` Profiler save: ``` profile-20240312T081026.json_prettyEE ``` Status: ``` # Server: version: 5.7.0-yl-thx-tmm | game: Minetest Game | uptime: 10h 44min 19s | max lag: 0.416s | clients (8/52): AliasAlreadyTaken, Bailiff, daydream, flux, Murmel, Nomtom, Service, testmineweirdo ``` Teleport command: ``` /teleport xyz 2114 17 1140 ``` Compass command: ``` /give_compass Construction Kwu6u9tnk91idz6UeDWxIJrbAyqGJrAX D2691E 2114 17 1140 ```

AliasAlreadyTaken was assigned by yourland-report

2024-03-12 08:10:26 +00:00

AliasAlreadyTaken added the

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1. kind/construction

3. source/ingame

labels 2024-03-12 09:15:56 +00:00

whosit commented

2024-03-12 11:18:03 +00:00

previous closed report:
#4627

previous closed report: https://gitea.your-land.de/your-land/bugtracker/issues/4627

Boot commented

2024-03-12 18:28:54 +00:00

So what?

whosit commented

2024-03-12 18:47:47 +00:00

So what?

"Unknown node" can mean that some mod is broken or failed to load, so it confuses people...

> So what? "Unknown node" can mean that some mod is broken or failed to load, so it confuses people...

flux commented

2024-03-13 04:17:32 +00:00

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flux commented

2024-03-13 04:18:48 +00:00

so a dupe of #4294

however, alias wants to delete all items that players shouldn't get

so a dupe of #4294 however, alias wants to delete all items that players shouldn't get

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AliasAlreadyTaken commented

2024-03-13 08:32:51 +00:00

It's nothing urgent, only "maintenance". I don't want any unknown blocks or entitites in the game.

Boot commented

2024-03-13 15:11:47 +00:00

There are several aspects to this:

First of all, why does the player have a problem with my plot and not try to solve it with me? No one likes this kind of behavior in real life. Then we shouldn't encourage it in the game either.

@flux

however, alias wants to delete all items that players shouldn't get

Of course, Alias is indisputably the boss. And if the boss says it has to be that way, then it should be that way (because I trust Alias that this is for the benefit of all of us and by no means arbitrary). But it's not about trying to guess what Alias wants. Well, I have the advantage of having read a lot about it, but newbies can't and shouldn't have to think about it.

To put it simply, in my country, what is not prohibited is allowed. This may be different in other countries. In this case, however, I insist on that principle. It should apply worldwide. Well, Alias would like to keep this one rule and keep the rule book simple. However, I can't derive the case described above from the one rule. Therefore, it would be better if there is a clear announcement about "Air" and "Unknown" that you can read.

@AliasAlreadyTaken

I don't want any unknown blocks or entitites in the game.

Ok, this is clear now. But another principle in my country is that everyone is equal before the law. Someone who reads the bug tracker should not be treated differently than someone who doesn't. Therefore, this sentence should be included in the server rules so that it is readable and applies to all players in the game.

There are several aspects to this: First of all, why does the player have a problem with my plot and not try to solve it with me? No one likes this kind of behavior in real life. Then we shouldn't encourage it in the game either. @flux > however, alias wants to delete all items that players shouldn't get Of course, Alias is indisputably the boss. And if the boss says it has to be that way, then it should be that way (because I trust Alias that this is for the benefit of all of us and by no means arbitrary). But it's not about trying to guess what Alias wants. Well, I have the advantage of having read a lot about it, but newbies can't and shouldn't have to think about it. To put it simply, in my country, what is not prohibited is allowed. This may be different in other countries. In this case, however, I insist on that principle. It should apply worldwide. Well, Alias would like to keep this one rule and keep the rule book simple. However, I can't derive the case described above from the one rule. Therefore, it would be better if there is a clear announcement about "Air" and "Unknown" that you can read. @AliasAlreadyTaken > I don't want any unknown blocks or entitites in the game. Ok, this is clear now. But another principle in my country is that everyone is equal before the law. Someone who reads the bug tracker should not be treated differently than someone who doesn't. Therefore, this sentence should be included in the server rules so that it is readable and applies to all players in the game.

flux commented

2024-03-14 03:45:12 +00:00

what is not prohibited is allowed.

someone once explained to me that under napoleonic law, what was not prohibited was compulsory. but that's terrible.

@flux

i've also got a lot of removed, ungettable, or impossible items, that i like to keep as souvenirs and occasionally sell as oddities. i've kept such items on every major minetest server i've played on. in my experience, there's no harm to that. but if alias mandates that we destroy them, i won't protest any more than i already have.

> what is not prohibited is allowed. someone once explained to me that under napoleonic law, what was not prohibited was compulsory. but that's terrible. > @flux i've also got a lot of removed, ungettable, or impossible items, that i like to keep as souvenirs and occasionally sell as oddities. i've kept such items on every major minetest server i've played on. in my experience, there's no harm to that. but if alias mandates that we destroy them, i won't protest any more than i already have.

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whosit commented

2024-03-14 07:02:09 +00:00

The only real issue I see, is that they look like something is broken and people report them, then we must go and investigate...
So maybe compromise will be to ask Boot to not display "unknown item" so prominently? :)
And "air" is fine, no one thinks that one is broken :p

Another suggestion is to have "known unknown item" icons - for stuff that we know people can have, but does not exist anymore.
Idk if it's easy to do, but that at least make it clear that this is not a bug. "forgotten item"?

The only real issue I see, is that they look like something is broken and people report them, then we must go and investigate... So maybe compromise will be to ask Boot to not display "unknown item" so prominently? :) And "air" is fine, no one thinks that one is broken :p Another suggestion is to have "known unknown item" icons - for stuff that we know people can have, but does not exist anymore. Idk if it's easy to do, but that at least make it clear that this is not a bug. "forgotten item"?

flux commented

2024-03-14 21:55:26 +00:00

ask Boot to not display "unknown item" so prominently? :)

i'm in favor of that just because this has now been reported twice.

> ask Boot to not display "unknown item" so prominently? :) i'm in favor of that just because this has now been reported twice.

AliasAlreadyTaken commented

2024-03-14 23:52:30 +00:00

Which ultimately is my fault again: I tell people to report unknown entities, unknown blocks and unknown anything ;)

I know many other servers (and even real games) don't care about glitches, developer items, broken things and some are even rare collectibles or are traded on a tongue-in-cheek black market. Especially since they are useless beyond possession - they can't be used for cheating or other malicious stuff and I don't want to cheat anyone out of their collection of oddities. Sure, we could leave them ingame as trinkets or fun memento that nothing is perfect.

But for me, each of those indicate we have a lapse in the code or a state we didn't think of. Similar to a leftover screw after you reassembled the motor of your car. That's why I'd prefer to get rid of them.

Which ultimately is my fault again: I tell people to report unknown entities, unknown blocks and unknown anything ;) I know many other servers (and even real games) don't care about glitches, developer items, broken things and some are even rare collectibles or are traded on a tongue-in-cheek black market. Especially since they are useless beyond possession - they can't be used for cheating or other malicious stuff and I don't want to cheat anyone out of their collection of oddities. Sure, we could leave them ingame as trinkets or fun memento that nothing is perfect. But for me, each of those indicate we have a lapse in the code or a state we didn't think of. Similar to a leftover screw after you reassembled the motor of your car. That's why I'd prefer to get rid of them.

flux commented

2024-03-15 04:20:23 +00:00

a leftover screw

outside of this, i don't disagree. but a leftover screw means you need to take the whole thing apart again, if it's involved in any life-or-death situation, or anything as serious.

> a leftover screw outside of this, i don't disagree. but a leftover screw means you need to take the whole thing apart again, if it's involved in any life-or-death situation, or anything as serious.

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