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tour · 2024-01-04T01:16:27+01:00

tour commented

2024-01-04 01:16:27 +01:00

how suited are the formspecs made by this mod?
Which texts should be improved? Are texts too rude?

I've never been a bailiff. I guess the biggest problem with non-responders are non-replanters? Are there more usecases which would need their own predefined formspec?
Are more of these how-to formspecs needed?
Maybe some experienced bailiffs can comment here?

how suited are the formspecs made by this mod? Which texts should be improved? Are texts too rude? I've never been a bailiff. I guess the biggest problem with non-responders are non-replanters? Are there more usecases which would need their own predefined formspec? Are more of these how-to formspecs needed? Maybe some experienced bailiffs can comment here?

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whosit commented

2024-01-04 03:15:55 +01:00

I think besides just getting attention via alternative means, this could be useful as a way for the player to communicate in a way other than inputting text.
What I mean is, this probably should have formspecs that allow player to just press buttons like "YES" and "NO", for example...
[we don't know if person speaks english, knows how to write in it, etc...]

Basically having a thing that bailiff can send to an extraterrestrial in their native language and get a reply bailiff can understand...

I think besides just getting attention via alternative means, this could be useful as a way for the player to communicate in a way other than inputting text. What I mean is, this probably should have formspecs that allow player to just press buttons like "YES" and "NO", for example... [we don't know if person speaks english, knows how to write in it, etc...] Basically having a thing that bailiff can send to an extraterrestrial in their native language and get a reply bailiff can understand...

whosit commented

2024-01-04 03:29:05 +01:00

If a person is non-communicative, this thing could be something like a troubleshooting guide: "Do you see chat?" - "Yes"/"No" - "what do you use" "PC"/"mobile" - "explains how to enable chat in each case" etc etc.

tour commented

2024-01-04 15:49:31 +01:00

What I mean is, this probably should have formspecs that allow player to just press buttons like "YES" and "NO", for example...

This should be doable quite easy: adding a (predefined) formspec with button_exit elements which have all the same name answer, but different labels will send the label of the pressed button to the one who invoked the formspec.

[we don't know if person speaks english, knows how to write in it, etc...]

I would aim for translation support here (#4). A simple yes/no button might not help if someone does not understand english.

If a person is non-communicative, this thing could be something like a troubleshooting guide: "Do you see chat?" - "Yes"/"No" - "what do you use" "PC"/"mobile" - "explains how to enable chat in each case" etc etc.

If this is about a formspec chain: That would require another formspec backend than I implemented here (through such an backend would be quite easy)

If it's about a bailiff sending a new two-button formspec over and over again (where the bailiff always sets another text) it would be quite easy. Just have to add one formspec.
(Or maybe two: first one asks whether the player agrees that their language setting is submitted to the bailiff, so bailiff can use a translator)

> What I mean is, this probably should have formspecs that allow player to just press buttons like "YES" and "NO", for example... This should be doable quite easy: adding a (predefined) formspec with `button_exit` elements which have all the same name `answer`, but different labels will send the label of the pressed button to the one who invoked the formspec. >[we don't know if person speaks english, knows how to write in it, etc...] I would aim for translation support here (#4). A simple yes/no button might not help if someone does not understand english. > If a person is non-communicative, this thing could be something like a troubleshooting guide: "Do you see chat?" - "Yes"/"No" - "what do you use" "PC"/"mobile" - "explains how to enable chat in each case" etc etc. If this is about a formspec chain: That would require another formspec backend than I implemented here (through such an backend would be quite easy) If it's about a bailiff sending a new two-button formspec over and over again (where the bailiff always sets another text) it would be quite easy. Just have to add one formspec. (Or maybe two: first one asks whether the player agrees that their language setting is submitted to the bailiff, so bailiff can use a translator)

AliasAlreadyTaken commented

2024-01-05 04:44:39 +01:00

If you want to release the mod to a wider audience, make the text and answers configurable. Like

mymod.preset1 = hey you evil nonreplanter! can you read this?#yes#no
mymod.preset2 = are you a cheater??#yes#no#maybe

It's nice when you tailor stuff to the needs of YL, but the approach should be to make at least an effort that the mod could be used on other servers, too :) YL may be the best thing since the invention of ham and eggs, but we encourage our modmakers to help all of minetest

If you want to release the mod to a wider audience, make the text and answers configurable. Like mymod.preset1 = hey you evil nonreplanter! can you read this?#yes#no mymod.preset2 = are you a cheater??#yes#no#maybe It's nice when you tailor stuff to the needs of YL, but the approach should be to make at least an effort that the mod could be used on other servers, too :) YL may be the best thing since the invention of ham and eggs, but we encourage our modmakers to help all of minetest

tour commented

2024-01-06 23:29:48 +01:00

It's already quit easy to configure the presets (modfy predefined.lua), I just haven't found time to document it.

I know, that's not the best style. I was mainly focused to implement a working demo... Making it easy to implement better confic options. But I'm not 100% sure how something like that would look like.

From what I can see the settingtypes.txt can only hold strings, in case someone wants to set a larger number of presets it will be a mess.

mymod.preset1 = hey you evil nonreplanter! can you read this?#yes#no

this looks like another server-specific mod setting the presets. Or did I overlook something in the mt-api?
Would be the option I consider as the easiest too. Is there a yl-specific mod which does so too or should I make a server-specific mod for it? In case there is a yl_ mod: will it load before or after this mod (e.g. do I need to create the selection formspec in a on_mods_loaded callback?)

hey you evil nonreplanter! can you read this?#yes#no

Isn't valid formspec :D Shall I include "easy syntax"?
If I know what's the prefered style I should be able to implement that stuff quite easy.

What I made for YL was the idea to include a "how to replant" formspec. While I think the "how to chat" fs fits this mod quite well, I think I have to drop the "how to replant" formspec.
It's not possible to explain this on a single formspec page (would need multiple pages or scrollbars, it would be a pain to implement stuff like that for a minor feature...)
I would rather include a "I don't know how to replant" button in the "please replant" spec. Then ppl can help with the crop in question.

It's already quit easy to configure the presets (modfy predefined.lua), I just haven't found time to document it. I know, that's not the best style. I was mainly focused to implement a working demo... Making it easy to implement better confic options. But I'm not 100% sure how something like that would look like. From what I can see the settingtypes.txt can only hold strings, in case someone wants to set a larger number of presets it will be a mess. > mymod.preset1 = hey you evil nonreplanter! can you read this?#yes#no this looks like another server-specific mod setting the presets. Or did I overlook something in the mt-api? Would be the option I consider as the easiest too. Is there a yl-specific mod which does so too or should I make a server-specific mod for it? In case there is a yl_ mod: will it load before or after this mod (e.g. do I need to create the selection formspec in a `on_mods_loaded` callback?) > hey you evil nonreplanter! can you read this?#yes#no Isn't valid formspec :D Shall I include "easy syntax"? If I know what's the prefered style I should be able to implement that stuff quite easy. What I made for YL was the idea to include a "how to replant" formspec. While I think the "how to chat" fs fits this mod quite well, I think I have to drop the "how to replant" formspec. It's not possible to explain this on a single formspec page (would need multiple pages or scrollbars, it would be a pain to implement stuff like that for a minor feature...) I would rather include a "I don't know how to replant" button in the "please replant" spec. Then ppl can help with the crop in question.

tour referenced this issue from your-land/bugtracker

2024-02-13 16:17:38 +01:00

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