flux reports: [balancing] the latest udpate ... #3640

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opened 2023-01-28 05:54:04 +00:00 by yourland-report · 7 comments

flux reports a bug:

[balancing] the latest udpate of mobs_redo has brought raw meatblocks, w/ serious considerations for werewolf balancing.

Player position:

{
	y = 60.5,
	z = 546.19903564453,
	x = 1272.1560058594
}

Player look:

{
	y = -0.4723969399929,
	z = -0.88072443008423,
	x = -0.034141518175602
}

Player information:

{
	min_rtt = 0.15899999439716,
	avg_rtt = 0.16799999773502,
	min_jitter = 0,
	max_jitter = 2.7849998474121,
	avg_jitter = 0.017000004649162,
	connection_uptime = 1474,
	lang_code = "",
	patch = 0,
	formspec_version = 6,
	major = 5,
	version_string = "5.7.0-dev-f6b3d0f5a-dirty",
	serialization_version = 29,
	minor = 7,
	ip_version = 6,
	state = "Active",
	protocol_version = 41,
	max_rtt = 3.0940001010895
}

Player meta:

{
	fields = {
		["petz:werewolf_clan_idx"] = "1",
		hud_state = "on",
		placed_nodes = "400507",
		xp = "1506662",
		["petz:lycanthropy"] = "1",
		["petz:werewolf_vignette_id"] = "19",
		["petz:werewolf"] = "1",
		yl_commons_player_created = "1615351173",
		yl_commons_player_joined = "1674883803",
		["unified_inventory:bags"] = "return {\"water_life:croc_bag\", \"water_life:croc_bag\", \"water_life:croc_bag\", \"water_life:croc_bag\"}",
		["signslib:pos"] = "(1288,27,608)",
		jointime = "1615351173",
		bitten = "0",
		["petz:old_override_table"] = "return {[\"new_move\"] = true, [\"sneak\"] = true, [\"sneak_glitch\"] = false, [\"jump\"] = 1.5, [\"speed\"] = 2, [\"gravity\"] = 1}",
		repellant = "0",
		arenalib_infobox_arenaID = "0",
		["stamina:level"] = "4",
		partychat = "party",
		["stamina:poisoned"] = "no",
		yl_commons_thankyou = "190",
		["stamina:exhaustion"] = "24.5",
		played_time = "29546486",
		digged_nodes = "1263176",
		["3d_armor_inventory"] = "return {\"3d_armor:helmet_rainbow 1 6982\", \"3d_armor:chestplate_rainbow 1 6982\", \"3d_armor:leggings_rainbow 1 6982\", \"nether_mobs:dragon_boots\", \"shields:shield_rainbow 1 6982\", \"\"}",
		died = "78",
		punch_count = "139399",
		crafted = "76835",
		yl_church = "return {[\"last_death\"] = {[\"y\"] = 29179, [\"z\"] = 1754, [\"x\"] = 1323}, [\"last_death_portal\"] = 1673318250, [\"last_heal\"] = 1615504208}",
		inflicted_damage = "2520996"
	}
}

Log identifier


[MOD] yl_report log identifier = J49Kz7RBMXbhXGTpHRBR5vFGKXiGr4Js

Profiler save:

profile-20230128T055404.json_prettyEE

Status:

# Server: version: 5.6.1-yl | game: Minetest Game | uptime: 1h 49s | max lag: 2.71s | clients (16/52): 9T9, AliasAlreadyTaken, Aliza, AmazingAnubis, Azelf, Bailiff, bizon, evil123, flux, Kaixin, niceride, OrangeBomb, Penelopee, rheo, Service, Sokomine

Teleport command:

/teleport xyz 1272 61 546

Compass command:

/give_compass Construction J49Kz7RBMXbhXGTpHRBR5vFGKXiGr4Js D2691E 1272 61 546
flux reports a bug: > [balancing] the latest udpate of mobs_redo has brought raw meatblocks, w/ serious considerations for werewolf balancing. Player position: ``` { y = 60.5, z = 546.19903564453, x = 1272.1560058594 } ``` Player look: ``` { y = -0.4723969399929, z = -0.88072443008423, x = -0.034141518175602 } ``` Player information: ``` { min_rtt = 0.15899999439716, avg_rtt = 0.16799999773502, min_jitter = 0, max_jitter = 2.7849998474121, avg_jitter = 0.017000004649162, connection_uptime = 1474, lang_code = "", patch = 0, formspec_version = 6, major = 5, version_string = "5.7.0-dev-f6b3d0f5a-dirty", serialization_version = 29, minor = 7, ip_version = 6, state = "Active", protocol_version = 41, max_rtt = 3.0940001010895 } ``` Player meta: ``` { fields = { ["petz:werewolf_clan_idx"] = "1", hud_state = "on", placed_nodes = "400507", xp = "1506662", ["petz:lycanthropy"] = "1", ["petz:werewolf_vignette_id"] = "19", ["petz:werewolf"] = "1", yl_commons_player_created = "1615351173", yl_commons_player_joined = "1674883803", ["unified_inventory:bags"] = "return {\"water_life:croc_bag\", \"water_life:croc_bag\", \"water_life:croc_bag\", \"water_life:croc_bag\"}", ["signslib:pos"] = "(1288,27,608)", jointime = "1615351173", bitten = "0", ["petz:old_override_table"] = "return {[\"new_move\"] = true, [\"sneak\"] = true, [\"sneak_glitch\"] = false, [\"jump\"] = 1.5, [\"speed\"] = 2, [\"gravity\"] = 1}", repellant = "0", arenalib_infobox_arenaID = "0", ["stamina:level"] = "4", partychat = "party", ["stamina:poisoned"] = "no", yl_commons_thankyou = "190", ["stamina:exhaustion"] = "24.5", played_time = "29546486", digged_nodes = "1263176", ["3d_armor_inventory"] = "return {\"3d_armor:helmet_rainbow 1 6982\", \"3d_armor:chestplate_rainbow 1 6982\", \"3d_armor:leggings_rainbow 1 6982\", \"nether_mobs:dragon_boots\", \"shields:shield_rainbow 1 6982\", \"\"}", died = "78", punch_count = "139399", crafted = "76835", yl_church = "return {[\"last_death\"] = {[\"y\"] = 29179, [\"z\"] = 1754, [\"x\"] = 1323}, [\"last_death_portal\"] = 1673318250, [\"last_heal\"] = 1615504208}", inflicted_damage = "2520996" } } ``` Log identifier ``` [MOD] yl_report log identifier = J49Kz7RBMXbhXGTpHRBR5vFGKXiGr4Js ``` Profiler save: ``` profile-20230128T055404.json_prettyEE ``` Status: ``` # Server: version: 5.6.1-yl | game: Minetest Game | uptime: 1h 49s | max lag: 2.71s | clients (16/52): 9T9, AliasAlreadyTaken, Aliza, AmazingAnubis, Azelf, Bailiff, bizon, evil123, flux, Kaixin, niceride, OrangeBomb, Penelopee, rheo, Service, Sokomine ``` Teleport command: ``` /teleport xyz 1272 61 546 ``` Compass command: ``` /give_compass Construction J49Kz7RBMXbhXGTpHRBR5vFGKXiGr4Js D2691E 1272 61 546 ```
AliasAlreadyTaken was assigned by yourland-report 2023-01-28 05:54:04 +00:00
AliasAlreadyTaken added the
1. kind/balancing
label 2023-01-28 14:46:47 +00:00
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noting that the block is not in group:food_meat_raw and so is not currently edible by werewolves. @AliasAlreadyTaken did you change that? my memory says that it was edible, but i also don't trust that memory.

noting that the block is *not* in `group:food_meat_raw` and so is not currently edible by werewolves. @AliasAlreadyTaken did you change that? my memory says that it was edible, but i also don't trust that memory.

Not that I know of, as far as I remember I never touched werewolf mechanics beyond the gamedesign layer

Not that I know of, as far as I remember I never touched werewolf mechanics beyond the gamedesign layer
flux added the
4. step/discussion
label 2023-01-29 22:20:11 +00:00
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i suppose the question now is, should the werewolves by able to eat the blocks, and how much food stamina should they give?

i suppose the question now is, *should* the werewolves by able to eat the blocks, and how much food stamina should they give?
Member

cf. #4676

cf. #4676

Perhaps we have raw meat blocks as a weaker gapple for werewolves? Like it heals only some HP but a lot of hunger

Perhaps we have raw meat blocks as a weaker gapple for werewolves? Like it heals only some HP but a lot of hunger
Member

Perhaps we have raw meat blocks as a weaker gapple for werewolves? Like it heals only some HP but a lot of hunger

probably not. werewolf balancing needs to be more subtle - it shouldn't be an outright advantage. while i'm personally inconvenienced by the fact that werewolves can't eat golden apples, i don't think they should get any sort of roughly equivalent alternative. the work in #4132 is intended to provide a framework for implementing werewolves, but i can't say whether or not it'll ever be adopted by your-land at this point.

> Perhaps we have raw meat blocks as a weaker gapple for werewolves? Like it heals only some HP but a lot of hunger probably not. werewolf balancing needs to be more subtle - it shouldn't be an outright advantage. while i'm personally inconvenienced by the fact that werewolves can't eat golden apples, i don't think they should get any sort of roughly equivalent alternative. the work in #4132 is intended to provide a framework for implementing werewolves, but i can't say whether or not it'll ever be adopted by your-land at this point.

Opinion of Lupercus: werewolves cant eat raw meat blocks, i feel they should do for werewolves what cooked meat blocks do for player

Opinion of Lupercus: werewolves cant eat raw meat blocks, i feel they should do for werewolves what cooked meat blocks do for player
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